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description, that will bear a land transportation; and all who own land convenient to this road, will experience an almost incalculable benefit from its extension. Will Congress withhold this boon from the country? Will they deny this act of justice to the West?

Mr. Chairman, if this were to be a business of mere calculation; if it were to be estimated by dollars and cents, as a merchant would be influenced to purchase his wares; yet it might be demonstrated that the work should be done. The General Government will be benefitted by the enhancement in the price of the public lands to an amount nearly equal to the expense of the road. But when this is taken in connection with the advancement of individual wealth, and the general convenience, there is nothing that can authorize a moment's hesitation in sanctioning the appropriation.

Mr. Chairman, knowing as I do the feelings of the citizens of the state of Ohio, on this subject, and especially that portion of them which I have the honor more immediately to represent, I can but feel and express the most anxious solicitude on this subject, and I will cherish a hope it will succeed."

[JAN. 13, 1825.

the canal between the Delaware and Chesapeake until
every other canal shall have been surveyed and laid out,
her aid to carry them into effect.
from a suspicion that Delaware will afterwards refuse
Much less can I con-
ble, to be pushed to Missouri.
sent to suspend a road which ought, as soon as practica-
objection is to the character of the two per cent. fund
The gentleman's next
which was reserved by the act of cession. I did doubt,
at first, whether this fund was perfectly under the con-
trol of the United States; but my doubts have since
been removed, and I am satisfied that Congress can
apply that fund, with or without the consent of the
States from which it arises. The question is, Whether
we shall now appropriate what is necessary to carry
on that road, or wait until that fund shall become suffi-
pursue the policy already sanctioned by our own legis-
cient for that object? Sir, I would not wait, but would
lation.

road had cost $13,000 per mile, but gentlemen should Another objection urged was, that the Cumberland remember through what sort of ground that said road Mr. MERCER observed, that he felt no doubt either Mountains, and that, through its whole extent, the surhas to pass; that it crosses the ridge of the Allegany of the usefulness of the road now proposed to be con- face over which it passes consists of alternate mountain tinued, or of the constitutional power of Congress to ap-ridges and deep valleys. But where the contemplated propriate money for the purpose. The latter question road is proposed to run, there is not one mountain in be considered as having been definitively settled by the its whole extent; the country is entirely different; there discussion of last session in this and the other House.- are a few sharp hills and a few valleys. But I am auHe had now risen not to discuss either point, but only thorized in saying, that the road will not cost more than to answer the argument of the gentleman from Missis- between four and five thousand dollars a mile. As to sippi, (Mr. RANKIN.) His objections seemed to respect works already begun, the objection as to waiting for the chiefly two aspects of the measure. The first is drawn several systems does not apply. It has weight only in a from the acts of cession by which the new States sur- question respecting beginning a new work in a new rendered certain rights over the lands within their limits place. Will any gentleman think of stopping, on such on conditions to be performed by the United States This objection applies to the power of Congress. The And if a war were at our threshhold, would any gentlean argument, the Delaware and Chesapeake Canal? gentleman seems to have supposed that the government man hesitate as to continuing the Cumberland road? has fulfilled its stipulations with those States by the con- He believed not one. struction of the Cumberland road. And he was sorry to hear the This is at least a importance of a general system of Internal Improvetechnical exposition of the compact with those States. ment, pleaded as an objection to an internal improveIt may be a literal fulfilment of the contract, but surely ment of so much importance as this. the object intended, is not only left unaccomplished, but it is scarcely half done, if we stop at the Ohio river. The gentleman seems to think it sufficient to connect the waters of the Potomac and the Ohio; but the one of these streams is not navigable, and, in the other, navigation is suspended for a considerable portion of the year by ice. The great object contemplated was to connect the frontiers of the country with the seat of government-the extremities with the heart of the body politic. This cannot be accomplished till the extremities are reached; but, if we stop at Ohio, we reach but a very small part of the line which leads to them.

As to the other view presented by the gentleman, I am yet more opposed to it. Sir, if we are to wait till the whole United States has been explored, and every connecting ligament by which its parts may be united shall have been measured and examined in detail, we shall have to wait to a remote posterity. Sir, I need no survey to tell me that the contemplated road from this city to New Orleans can be made. I know this already, from the analogy of other cases. No person will deny that the object can be accomplished; the only object of survey is to ascertain the best route and the probable cost. There can, then, be no need of waiting till the whole Union shall have been surveyed. The gentleman from Mississippi seems to insinuate that, by beginning as is now proposed, the force of union, among the friends of internal improvement, will be broken, and that, in future undertakings, they will lose the aid of the Western States, because the objects desired by those states will then have been secured. Sir, I cannot subscribe to such a sentiment. I will never allow myself to indulge such an opinion. I could not, for instance, refuse to the state of Delaware to subscribe to

tee a few minutes. He said that, since the committee
Mr. JENNINGS asked the indulgence of the commit.
has refused to amend the bill, by striking out the section
which contained a pledge upon the two per cent. fund
of Indiana and Illinois, for the repayment to the Treasu-
ry of the United States, of the money, the appropriation
of which was now contemplated, he would give his
reasons why he should be compelled to oppose the
passage of the bill.
the construction of the compacts between the United
In the discussion of this subject,
States and the states Northwest of the Ohio river, had
those instruments by some gentlemen, were to be con-
been introduced, and which, if the construction of
sidered as correct, would tend to confirm the pledge,
which, by an act of the 3d March, 1819, Congress
had imposed upon the two per cent. fund of Indiana
and Illinois, for the reimbursement of $250,000 appro-
priated to complete the Cumberland road to Wheeling.

correctly, concluded that the power of Congress to con-
The gentleman from Mississippi, if he understood him
trol the two per cent. fund of those states, was a general
power, which could be exercised at pleasure, so far as
it regards the local expenditure of this fund. If the
gentleman's conclusions were correct, that the original
intention of Congress was to unite the navigable waters
of the Atlantic with those of the Ohio river, and none
other, why should the compact made by the United
States with the state of Ohio, provide, that this fund
should be applied, under the direction of Congress, to
making roads, not leading from the waters of the
Atlantic to the Ohio merely, as the gentleman seemed to
suppose? But the compact provides that the fund shall
be expended in making roads from the waters of the
Atlantic-" to the Ohio, to the said state, and through

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the same." The compact provides, moreover, that "the
consent of the several states through which the road shall
pass," shall be obtained previous to making such. road.
I would ask, Mr. Chairman, what road? If the whole of
the two per cent. fund of Indiana and Illinois has been
rightfully pledged, and if so, correctly expended, in
the construction of a road to the Ohio river, as gentle-
men contend, what has the consent of the states west of
the Ohio to do with, and what bearing can such consent
have upon, the operation which shall take place under
the appropriations of this fund? I admit that Congress
has the power to appropriate the two per cent. fund of
Indiana to making a road through the state of Ohio to
the state of Indiana; but I deny the right of Congress,
although the power has been exercised, to apply the
two per cent. fund of Indiana to the making a road
from the navigable waters of the Atlantic to the Ohio;
and I shall not, therefore, give my vote for the appro-
priation of money, which carries with it a pledge upon
the two per cent. fund of Indiana, until this road is
located, at least, to the Mississippi river. The seat of
government of the state which, in part, I have the
honor to represent, is located permanently, and this
road, if ever we are to have one, will pass through its
site. But this road can be located only by the authority
of Congress. In the prosperity of the Capital of the
state, the citizens of Indiana have not only an interest,
but an interest which involves the value of real property,
to a considerable extent; but she has no control, nor is
her interest in having this road located, to be regarded
by the provisions of this bill. That it was the original
intention of Congress that this road should be located,
opened, and constructed, to the state of Missouri, so far
as the fund might be adequate to the object, I have no
doubt; and that it was equally the intention of Congress
that the two per cent. fund of Ohio should be expended
in making a road from the Atlantic waters to the said
state; and that the two per cent. fund of Indiana should
be expended in making a road through Ohio, to Indiana,
and that of Illinois, in like manner, through Indiana to
Illinois. But the constructions, and the character of
the road contemplated to be constructed by the provi-
sions of this bill, will expend every cent that may here-
after accrue, before this road, such as it is intended to be,
shall reach the seat of Government of Ohio; and thus
the location and opening of this road through Indiana
will ultimately have to depend upon the bounty of
Congress, instead of resting upon the compact. That
the original intention of Congress comports with the
construction of those compacts with the United States,
and "the several states through which the road shall
pass," which I consider correct, is evinced by the
course adopted by Congress, under whose authority
Commissioners were employed, a few years since, to
locate this road through those several states. And why
this measure on the part of Congress, if the construc-
tions which have been given to the compacts be correct?
The state of Indiana, in accepting the conditions offered
by Congress, as an equivelent to her renouncing any
right to tax the lands of the United States, &c. placed
a value on this fund, and it formed no unimportant part
in the aggregate consideration, which induced the state
to enter into a full execution of the contract on her part.
But the disposition which has been, and is now propos.
ed to be made of this fund, is, in effect, to destroy the
just expectation of the state in relation to it; and, while
I admit the power of Congress to pass this bill-the pre-
vious pledge of which has been imposed upon the two
per cent. fund of Indiana, when the appropriation was
made in 1819, to complete the Cumberland road to
Wheeling, was as much a pledge upon that fund, for
making a road to any or all the states bordering upon |
the shores of the Ohio and Mississippi rivers, as it was
a pledge to redeem an appropriation made for the con-
struction of a road leading to Indiana. He regretted

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that the construction of those compacts had not been more generally examined than he supposed they had, and he could not view the effects produced or to be produced by constructions which had been given to them, as tending to any other result, than a violation of the contract on the part of the United States with the state of Indiana.

Mr. BUCHANAN, said, that, since the adjournment of the House last evening, he had turned his attention to the compact between the United States and the state of Ohio, and he believed if the committee would indulge him for a few minutes, he could clearly explain its cha

racter.

By the terms of the original compact of 1802, five per cent. of the nett proceeds of the lands within the state of Ohio, were to be applied "to the laying out and making public roads, leading from the navigable waters emptying into the Atlantic, to the Ohio, to the said State, and through the same; such roads to be laid out under the authority of Congress, with the consent of the several states through which the road shall pass." It is clear, then, that the compact gave to the United States exclusive authority over the application of the whole of this fund. The objects upon which they were bound to expend it, were of a two fold nature. first, roads leading from the Atlantic waters to the State of Ohio; and the second, roads leading through that State.

The

The people of Ohio believed, that the portion of this fund which was destined to the construction of roads within their state, could be more judiciously and economically expended under the authority of their own Legislature, than by the General Government. In this opinion, they were certainly correct. They, therefore, asked Congress to grant them this privilege, and in pursuance of their request, an act was passed on the 3d March, 1803, directing the Secretary of the Treasury to pay to the state of Ohio three per cent, of the five per cent. fund, to be applied by their Legislature "to the laying out, opening and making roads, within the said state, and to no other purpose whatever."

Thus it will be perceived, that the five per cent. fund, which had originally been placed under the exclusive control of the General Government, was separated into two parts, The two per cent. of it was retained by Congress, to be applied to the construction of roads between the Atlantic waters and the state of Ohio; and the remaining three per cent, was given to the state of Ohio, at its own request, to be expended in making roads through that state. It is, therefore, manifest, that, since 1803, the United States have never been bound by the compact, to make any roads within the state of Ohio. That obligation passed from them to the Legislature of the state, and three-fifths of the whole fund was granted to them, to enable them to fulfil it. Out of this fund the state of Ohio, previous to the 24th January last, had received the sum of $287,543 94. With what degree of force then, or even plausibility it could be contended by gentlemen, that Congress are bound by the compact to make this road within the state of Ohio, Mr. B. said, he would cheerfully leave for the committee to determine.

Mr. B. said that the next subject of inquiry to which he wished to direct the attention of the committee, was, the manner in which the United States had executed the portion of the trust which remained to them. Have they faithfully applied the whole of the two per cent. which they retained, to the construction of roads between the waters of the Atlantic and the state of Ohio? The amount of it which had resulted from the sale of lands in that state, prior to the report from the Treasury during the last session, was $187,786 31, and from Indiana, Illinois, Missouri, Mississippi, and Alabama, $7,1,623 11 The aggregate is $259,409 42.

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Congress have expended upon the Cumberland road about $1,700,000, or nearly seven times the amount of the two per cent. fund of all these states. They did not stop short at a literal compliance with the terms of the compact; but have greatly transcended them, and acted with the utmost liberality towards the western people. That fund has been already pledged to us for the repayment of more than $1,400,000. No gentleman on this floor can, for a moment, suppose that we shall ever receive from it any thing like this amount. In order to realize such a supposition, lands within those states must yet be sold to the amount of $70,000,000. Yet, notwithstanding, the present bill pledges this very fund to reimburse the expense of continuing the Cumberland road from Canton to Zanesville. It is certainly idle and absurd for us to place a pretext so flimsy before the public, in any act of legislation. Gentlemen who advocate this bill should at once abandon its defence upon the ground of the two per cent. fund and compact, and support it upon the principle that it is an internal improvement, which, independently of these considera tions, should be undertaken at this time by the General

Government.

Mr. B. said that, as he had risen only to advance his ideas respecting the compact with Ohio, and the manner in which the United States had executed their trust, he would no longer, at present, press himself upon the attention of the committee. He would merely state as a fact, in conclusion, that the construction of the Cumberland road had cost more than $ 13,000 each mile.

Mr ROSS, of Ohio, then rose, and said, that the exposition given by the gentleman from Pennsylvania, of the three per cent. and the two per cent. fund was a very correct one, and he recapitulated in substance the history of those funds in respect to the state of Ohio. Thus far, he observed, there was no dispute. Now, in the act to admit the State of Indiana into the Union, we find precisely the same expressions as in the act to admit Ohio. Five per cent. of the sales of the public lands is reserved for the construction of roads to and through Indiana. If this reservation of two per cent. is appropriated to roads to Indiana, (the same as for roads to Ohio,) and the three per cent. is placed under the control of the Legislature of Indiana for roads in that state, (the same as for roads in Ohio,) Mr. R. expressed himself not a little surprised that the gentleman from Indiana, (Mr. JENNINGS,) should be opposed to the present bill. It is a strict compliance with the compact of the United States, that two per cent. should be spent on a road leading to the State of Indiana. The remaining three per cent. had, from time to time, been drawn from the Treasury by that State for roads within her own limits. But the two per cent. is placed by the compact at the absolute discretion of the General Government. The present road may indeed go through the State of Ohio, yet it leads to Indiana. The compact does not say that the General Government shall bring a road to the line of that state; if the road were in Kentucky or in Virginia, and yet led to Indiana, it would be sufficient under the compact. Some gentlemen object to the object, because, at the last session, Congress voted a general system of Internal Improvement. But there must be some starting point in carrying that system into effect. And there will be precisely the same difficulty after the survey is made, as there is now; for gentlemen surely do not seriously mean that the General Government is to undertake, simultaneously, roads and canals over all the United States. Here is a beginning made: sixteen hundred thousand dollars have been laid out upon it; the surveys are made; a random line has been run from Wheeling to the Mississippi. A road from Wheeling to Zanesville has been laid out and actually begun. This is not an exception to a general system of Internal Improvement. It happened to be commenced before that system was adopted. Yet it is a link in the same chain.

[JAN. 13, 1825.

But the gentleman from Pennsylvania insists that Congress, by what it has advanced on the Cumberland road, has fully complied, and more than complied with its contract with Ohio. But, sir, I ask, was that road made for Ohio alone? Has not the very state which that gentleman represents, with so much benefit to it, and so much credit to himself, has not Pennsylvania enjoyed the same benefit from it as Ohio? I believe facts will prove that it has enjoyed greater. Nor Pennsylvania alone-Virginia, too, has received a kind blessing from the same source; so, in a degree, has Delaware also. In fact, sir, all the states of this Union have, to a certain extent, participated in the benefit; so that, as far as the argument of the gentleman is intended to shew that the General Government has fulfilled its contract to Ohio, it is of no force. I might indeed say, the Government has fulfilled its contract to itself and to the country. Pennsylvania, rich, populous, and flourishing, enjoys the advantage of, he believed, about three thousand miles of good roads. The gentleman, therefore, is able to appreciate their value. He hoped that State would follow the example of Ohio and of New York. And if we extended our view to future times, he was persuaded it would be found there was not so great a diversity of interests between that state and her neighbors, as some of her citizens seem inclined to suppose. He thought, upon the whole, that nothing could be urged conclusively against the present bill from the contracts of the General Government with the new states, nor from the advances on the Cumberland road, as if made for Ohio alone.

Mr. WOOD of N. Y. observed, that he deemed the proposition before the committee premature. That it was idle to say that the U. States were under any obligation to make the road in question. That the Government had agreed to expend two per cent. of the avails of the public lands on roads from the Atlantic to the Ohio; and, by the gentleman's own shewing, the Government had already expended more than that fund would amount to in many years. That the pledge was redeemed, the obligation cancelled, and that no claim on that ground could be sustained. The present application was, therefore, for a sum of money from the Treasury, to be expended on Internal Improvements. Sir, said Mr. W. Congress have not yet determined that they will adopt a system of Internal Improvements. At the last session they appropriated $30,000 for the purpose of exploring the country, and having such routes for roads and canals selected, as should appear to be of national importance. That, when the report of the Commissioners appointed for that purpose should be made to Congress, the question would probably be determined. That, when that subject should be agitated, if it should be determined to embark in a system of Internal Improvements, several questions must be previously settled among them; one would be, to determine whether the money to be appropriated ought not to be apportioned among the several states according to their representation in Congress, to be expended under the direction of their respective legislatures, who were more competent to oversee such business than Congress, and better able to guard the fund from the impositions to which appropriations by Congress are liable.

If this course should not be adopted, the plan must be restricted to objects purely national; it was all important, therefore, before it was adopted, to have the report of the Surveyors and Engineers appointed at the last session, in order to judge what objects were of most national importance. That, from an inspection of the map, it appeared that the proposed route from Wheeling to St. Louis, run nearly parallel with the Ohio, and no great distance from it; that the Ohio and Mississippi afforded n.uch greater facilities for transportation than any road could afford; that the road could not be of much national importance either for military or com

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mercial purposes; that it might be more of a national object to open a road from the Ohio to Chicago, at the south end of Lake Michigan; and from thence, to Prairie du Chien, where there were military posts, to which there was no communication by water but by long and circuitous routes. That he only stated this to shew, that, until the report of the engineers should be made, Congress were not prepared to judge what were eligible routes for roads or canals, and any undertaking, before such information should be received, and before Congress should determine to embark in a system of Internal Improvement, would be premature.

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must be obvious that nothing more was contemplated by this act than a pledge of the funds arising from the lands sold within the state of Ohio. In 18 6, Congress commenced its legislation on the subject of the Cumberland road specifically, and the money appropriated by the act of 1806, for this road, was to be paid, first, out of the fund reserved in the act of 1802, and secondly, if that proved inadequate, out of any unappropriated money in the Treasury. This provision for drawing the money from this specific fund, raised from the sale of lands lying within the state of Ohio, and to make up any deficiency in that fund from the public Treasury, is a legislative exposition of what Congress meant by the act of 1802. The language of the act of 1802, however, is so explicit that it will admit of no other construction. Subsequent to 1806, and, almost annually, down to 1819, Congress had made appropriations to complete this road, sometimes repledging this Ohio fund, and, at others, making naked appropriations only. During this period, Congress had admitted Indiana, Illinois, and Missouri into the Union, under stipulations and agreements such as Congress itself had proposed, and, amongst other things, it had been agreed, that two per cent. of the moneys arising from the land sales in those states should be expended, under the authority of Congress in making roads leading to those states respectively. This stipulation, however, was of a conventional character. It was a consideration paid by Congress for the exemption, on the part of those states, of the lands to be sold by the United States, from taxation, for five years after sale. At the time of these compacts, then, Congress had almost completed the Cumberland road, and no pledge had ever been made, of any specific fund whatever, to refund the money to the Government, except the Ohio fund. In 1819, however, after the admission of these states, and after the ratification of these solemn com

Mr. P. P BARBOUR rose, and said, that he was not about to enter at large into the question before the committee, but merely to state a few facts, which might have a bearing upon it. He was aware that the motion yesterday made to strike out that part of the bill which goes to pledge the two per cent. fund, had, at the present sitting, been decided in the negative, and that all arguments or observations in favor of such an amendment would now be out of order. But if, said Mr. B. it is in the contemplation of Congress to commence a great system of Internal Improvement, (for which, however, in any shape, I cannot go, as being opposed to the principle,) it seems to me that the object now presented is as much entitled to favor as almost any other that can be mentioned. He should, indeed, be obliged to vote against the bill, and would do so, even were it for the sole benefit of his own constituents. Yet still he thought the object as good as any other. The measure, however, ought at once to be put (where the gentleman from Ohio had candidly placed it) on the footing of an absolute appropriation, not to be returned from any fund whatever. The pledge was all out of the question. Congress has the direction of two per cent. of the proceeds of the sales of public lands in the northwestern states, for the purpose of making roads leading to those states. It has expend-pacts, which are based upon the principle of a quid pro ed somewhere about $1,800,000. Now this is two per cent. on ninety millions of dollars. It would be found that the whole sales of lands in the northwestern states, up to 1819, fell short of $27,000,000, of which less than $17,000,000 had actually been received. Here, then, was the Government in advance two per cent. on ninety millions, and not seventeen millions realized yet. Surely, it was vain to talk of any hope of reimbursement from such a fund. Let us not, said Mr. B. hold out a false and delusive hope. Commending the candor of the gentleman from Ohio, (Mr. BELCHER,) in placing the subject at once and avowedly upon its real ground, Mr. B. expressed a hope that, when the bill came into the House, the clause containing this pledge would be stricken out. And he concluded with repeating that, did not his views of constitutional restrictions prevent him from voting for any appropriation for Internal Improvement, he should certainly vote for the present bill.

quo, and under which the Government had agreed to lay out this fund in making roads leading to those states respectively, Congress pledges this very fund to repay to the Treasury nearly two millions of dollars, which had been previously expended on the Cumberland road. Mr. C. would submit it to the good faith, and if it might not appear offensive, he would say, the common honesty of the House, to say, whether such a pledge were not in violation of those compacts?

The right to make this pledge, as has been argued, springs out of the act of 1802. I have shown that that act looks alone to the sales within the state of Ohio. But you did not, at that time, own Missouri. She was then in the hands of a foreign power; and yet, it is also contended that her fund is also to be pledged to redeem this Cumberland road debt.

Mr. C. said, the states west of the Ohio supposed they were making a fair bargain, and that each party meant Mr. COOK said he concurred with the gentleman to execute in good faith what was promised. If that from Virginia, (Mr. BAKROUR,) in his opinion of the de- were done, he thought no doubt could remain as to the gree of favor with which this measure should be viewed. illegality of the pledge of 1819, which applied this fund But he could not concur with him in the views he had to redeem the Cumberland road debt. Arguing, then, submitted in relation to the fund that Congress had on that supposition, he should proceed to state his pledged to the states west of the state of Ohio. Ile views in relation to the measure before the House. rose to explain more fully than had been done, the nature of this pledge, and to repel the construction which had been put on the compacts that Congress and those states had entered into. In 1802, Congress passed a law authorizing the people within the territorial limits of the state of Ohio, to form a constitution and become an independent state. In the same act, it was provided that five per cent. "of the nett proceeds of the lands lying within the said state, (Ohio,) sold by Congress" from and after a day specihed, should be applied to laying out and making roads leading from the Atlantic waters to the Ohio river, and through the state of Ohio. Subsequently, with the assent of Ohio, a change was made, limiting this fund to two per cent. Mr. C. said it

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He had shown, on a former occasion, that this fund would, in the progress of time, yield a sum exceeding two millions of dollars-a sum that would be adequate to make this road. The Government now owned almost boundless tracts of land in the west. Its value is to be increased in proportion to the facility of settling it. This road will lead to it, and consequently increase its value. The country is remote from the great scenes of business and markets, and will be greatly benefitted by this road. Inasmuch, then, as it is calculated to advance the primary interests of the Government, as well as to increase the affections of a large portion of our people for the Government, and so greatly serve their interests, Mr. C. said he should vote for the appropriation. But he

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should, at the same time, insist, as a condition on which his vote ultimately would depend, that there should be some clear and distinct assurance given, in the bill, that the road was to be continued to the states west of Ohio. It had been argued that this measure was premature. This prematurity, said Mr. C. is discovered too late. Congress, four years ago after much grave and solemn debate, appropriated ten thousand dollars to mark and lo cate this road. It was done with a view to its speedy completion. It was then thought proper to commence, and the people of the states particularly interested, although too patriotic to be clamorous on account of the delay, have felt that their expectations have not been met in the spirit which raised them.

Perhaps it may be said, that the measure of four years ago was designed merely to pacify and appease an idle whim of the West. Congress, I trust, does not legislate on such principles, and, for one, I am sure that measure was founded on no such consideration. The pecple of the West do not believe it. They have a better opinion of the candor and integrity of this body.

Mr. C. thought this road had nothing to do with the great system of internal improvement that had been spoken of, so far as related to the mere appropriation of money to make it. It stood on different ground. It was a promised road, and the only question to be settled was, the time of meeting that promise. That had been settled, and wisely settled, four years ago. It was then settled that we will now go on with it. We will go on with it, while the country, through which it is to pass, is too poor to make it, and whilst we (the United States) have property to a large amount that will be increased in value by it. This having been the policy adopted four years ago, he hoped it would not now be abandoned.

The public domain, said Mr. C. is pledged to pay the public debt. In pursuance of that pledge, Congress had frequently adopted measures to accelerate its sale. None can more contribute to that object than this road. It will, it must, be the great highway to most of the emigrants from the states north of Virginia to the states of Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, and Missouri. You will, by affording this facility to them, act in the spirit which produced much of your former legislation. You will lessen the expense of emigrating, and, by that amount, increase the means of the emigrant to purchase your property, and comfortably to settle himself.

[JAN. 13, 14, 1825.

As to the claim of the West on the National Treasury, he should only say that that Treasury never contributed any thing worth naming, for the purpose of internal improvement, for the advantage of any other state than Ohio. What, asked Mr. M'DUFFIE, are the national works which have been done by the General Government? This road was certainly the chief, and he had almost said, the only one-two millions had been expended upon it. There was also some small appropriation for the improvement of the Ohio and Mississippi rivers. 1, said Mr. M'DUFFIE,, belong to a state which, on this subject, has fair claims on the Government, yet I do not now solicit any thing on her behalf. We are told that, because the work has been commenced, we must theretore go on with it. But, sir, said Mr. M'DUFFIE, I argue I do not think bein a manner directly the reverse. cause we have done something for one part of the Union, we must, therefore, do more for it. The work, I acknowledge, is an important one; but other objects are important too. The population of the new states is comparatively sparse; and we are asked to neglect the denser population of the Union, for their benefit. I do not think the object proposed, has any peculiar clam, at this particular time. Before he sat down, he would state what were his general views on this matter. It appeared very clear that, for at least ten years to come, all the surplus revenue of this country would be exhausted in paying the public debt-and, from the character and well known wishes of the nation, he presumed that it must be the great object of the next administration to pay that debt. There could be but a small surplus left to be applied to internal improvements-sufficient, however, to defray the expense of all the requisite previous measures. All the surveys could be made, various routes explored, and the comparative expense of different projects ascertained. Then the nation would know precisely what was the work before it. Nor was it more than proper that ten years should be consumed in preparing to accomplish so great a system, on the safest and most solid grounds.

Mr. CLAY now rose, and, expressing a desire of presenting to the committee his views on the general subject, requested, as the hour was late, the indulgence that the committee would rise. The committee rose accordingly, and obtained leave to sit again. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.-FRIDAY, JAN. 14.

CUMBERLAND RIVER.

Mr. REYNOLDS, of Ten. submitted the following resolution for consideration:

Resolved, That a committee be appointed to inquire into the expediency of appropriating a sum of money not exceeding dollars, for the purpose of improving the navigation of Cumberland River, in the state of Tennessee.

The resolution having been read

Mr. M'DUFFIE then rose, and said, that he now perceived the question before the committee was a question of direct appropriation for a road. If the arguments of the gentlemen from Indiana and Illinois were correct, (and certainly those arguments presented matter of grave consideration,) the two per cent. fund of those states cannot be appropriated to the present object. It follows, that the two per cent. in Ohio alone can be appropriated to it. No one can deny that the whole of this fund has been expended. So far, then, as the arguments of the gentlemen prove any thing, Mr. REYNOLDS addressed the chair as follows: they shew that what is required, at present, is an abso- Mr. Speaker: Should it be in order, I will briefly subJute appropriation of money from the Treasury. This mit to the House my views on this subject. We have point being settled, he would say a few words on the been engaged, yesterday and the day before, in discussmeasure, as constituting a part of the general system ing the bill to extend the Cumberland Road: the object of internal improvement. Such a system, Mr. M'D. of the present resolution have submitted is to improve observed, must be formed and conducted on national the navigation of Cumberland River. But, before I proprinciples. Yet, it was unavoidable, in the nature of ceed, allow me to say, hat I lament much, indeed, at the things, that, in the prosecution of it, certain parts of course the debate has taken on the extension of the Nathe country will be benefitted more than others. The tional Road; and, without entering into the merits of question then arises, how shall we proceed? I answer, that discussion, it is to be regretted that the subject of in the first place, with the utmost caution. If we act those reservations and conditions of state rights ever had otherwise, and through haste, ignorance, or oversight, been introduced into the bill; for, it is evident to my shall fail in any great work we undertake, we shall oc- mind, from the discussion already had, without particucasion a reaction which will go far towards destroying larly examining the statutes, that the per centums stiputhe system; and he would put it to the friends of inter-lated by those new states arising on the sale of the pubnal improvements, whether it will be advisable to run any risk of such a result? He was, therefore, opposed to acting on the system, till a general view had been presented to Congress of the objects to be attempted.

lic lands, were certainly intended for the internal improvement of those states, and not for national purposes. in my humble opinion, sir, it would have been more preferable to have asked, by the bill on your table, an

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