Senator BUSHFIELD. Since you have been in Washington, have you visited or been a patient in the Gallinger Hospital?

Mr. Moss. I have.

Senator BUSHFIELD. When?

Mr. Moss. In April 1942.

Senator BUSHFIELD. How long were you there?

Mr. Moss. A week.

Senator BUSHFIELD. What ward were you in?
Mr. Moss. General ward.

Senator BUSHFIELD. Were you there for treatment?

Mr. Moss. No; I was there to have a specimen taken out of my breast. I had a knot in my breast and the doctor advised me to have a specimen taken.

Senator BUSHFIELD. Were you in bed during the time you were there?

Mr. Moss. Yes, sir.

Senator BUSHFIELD. State what you observed in the ward in which you were housed, particularly in your room, as, to the cleanliness of the room or of the ward.

Mr. Moss. When I first went there they put me in a room by myself, about 3 or 4 o'clock in the afternoon, and they told me to take my clothes off and get in bed, so I did, and they took my clothes and took them out, and I asked for a pillow and they said they had none.

Senator BUSHFIELD. Did they have a nightgown or pajamas for you?

Mr. Moss. No, sir.

Senator BUSHFIELD. Did you get into bed naked?

Mr. Moss. Partly. I didn't come to stay out there when I went, but they told me I better stay and I said I can get my stuff at home in the morning, so I had no night clothes the first night.

Along about 10 or 11 o'clock I began to feel things, itch, biting, so I scratched them and in about an hour I knew there was something wrong, and I called a nurse in and she looked at my neck and there was welts on my body as big as my fingernail, and I said, "This room has bed bugs or lice in it, or something, and I can't sleep; I can't stay in here."

She went out and brought me back four tablets and told me to take them and I said, "What are they for?"

She said, "To make you go to sleep."

I said, "No, I ain't going to take them and be et up."

And she said, "Very well," and she went out and so I got up in about an hour and wrapped a sheet around me and went out in the hall and sat down in the hall.

And I said, "I ain't going to stay in that room and be et up," and I sat down in the hall for about half an hour and they asked me if I minded going to the ward, and I told them anywhere to get away from that room, and they fixed a bed in the ward for me and I went in there and spent the night very comfortably.

Senator BUSHFIELD. In this room that you were confined in did you see the things, whatever they may have been, that you say were biting you?

Mr. Moss. Yes, sir, I did. I raked them off my hand, two of them, just like that [indicating].

Senator BUSHFIELD. What were they, if you know?

Mr. Moss. Lice.

Senator BUSHFIELD. Then you went to the ward after you had that trouble in the room?

Mr. Moss. Yes, sir.

Senator BUSHFIELD. Were there a number of other patients?

Mr. Moss. Yes; I expect there were 25 or 30 or maybe 40.

Senator BUSHFIELD. During the hours you were in that room did you observe what it was as to being clean or dirty?

Mr. Moss. Yes, sir. I noticed the mattress I was on looked like it had been brought out of a coal house, and an old mattress that ought to have been destroyed 10 years ago, and I asked them if they had a mattress that maybe I could rest on and they said it was all they had.

Senator BUSHFIELD. Were there clean sheets on the bed?
Mr. Moss. Yes; nice clean sheets.

Senator BUSHFIELD. But no pillow?

Mr. Moss. No pillow.

Senator BUSHFIELD. And in the ward?

Mr. Moss. In the ward I got a pillow.

Senator BUSHFIELD. You got a pillow in there?

Mr. Moss. Yes, sir.

Senator BUSHFIELD. Did you notice any lice in the ward?
Mr. Moss. No, I did not.

Senator BUSHFIELD. Bedbugs?

Mr. Moss. No.

Senator BUSHFIELD. How long were you there?

Mr. Moss. A week.

Senator BUSHFIELD. Did you leave because you were discharged or what was the reason?

Mr. Moss. No, sir, I was discharged; I was through.

I wanted to leave the first night and they wouldn't give me my clothes and they said, "No, you ain't going to leave," and so I had no clothes. I would have left the first night if I had had my clothes. Senator BUSHFIELD. That is all.

Senator BUCK. Do you recall the number of the room you were in first ?

Mr. Moss. No, I do not.

Senator BUCK. Do you know what building it was in?

Mr. Moss. It was in the building where the ward was.

Senator BUCK. Do you know the name of the nurse that you saw? Mr. Moss. I don't know.

Senator BUCK. Or the doctor that came to you?

Mr. Moss. No. I want to mention one more thing, please.
Senator BUSHFIELD. All right.

Mr. Moss. There was a man right across from me that had an operation performed and he asked for the urinal and they brought it to him and he asked if he could keep it and the orderly said no, he couldn't keep it, and before he got through the orderly come and jerked it out of his hand and they had a scuffle over it and the fellow told me he hurt his hand.

Senator BUCK. What was it they were scuffling over?
Mr. Moss. What they call a duck.

Senator BUSHFIELD. What do you mean, a

Mr. Moss. Yes, sir.

urinal?

Senator BUSHFIELD. A bedpan or something of that kind?
Mr. Moss. Yes, sir.

A VOICE. Senator, I was a patient there and if you don't mind I would like to talk about it.

Senator BUCK. We will hear from you before we get through.
Mr. Moss. I consider it very insanitary.

Senator BUCK. How was the food you got when you were put over in the ward?

Mr. Moss. Of course it was like all hospital food, you don't expect much.

Senator BUCK. Good enough to eat and live on?

Mr. Moss. It was all right but they had no service. They would bring the wagon in there with trays on it and if you wasn't there at first when they come in the rest that could walk or get up was there and you got what was left and sometimes there wasn't much left, especially the milk.

One morning I remember they brought me some oatmeal and I asked them, I said, "Can I have a spoon?"

And they said (it was a colored servant), "I ain't going back down to the kitchen to get you a spoon either," so I had to drink the oatmeal out of a saucer like a dog.

Senator BUCK. Any other questions, Senator?

Senator BUSHFIELD. No.

Senator BUCK. That is all, Thank you.

Senator BUSHFIELD. That is all. Thank you, Mr. Moss.
Thomas W. McPeak.

TESTIMONY OF THOMAS W. McPEAK

Senator BUCK. Will you give your name, please?
Mr. McPEAK. Thomas W. McPeak.

Senator BUSHFIELD. Where are you employed?

Mr. McPEAK. I am not employed at all right now.

Senator BUSHFIELD. Did you formerly work for Gallinger Hospital?

Mr. McPEAK. I never was on the Gallinger pay roll, if that is what

you mean.

Senator BUSHFIELD. Well, what is the distinction? I do not just understand.

Mr. McPEAK. I was working for the District as a carpenter prior to when the C. W. A. was inaugurated.

I got home one evening and there was a card there from the office for me to come down to the office, that they had a job for me.

I went down and they sent me to Gallinger Hospital. I was a painter for them on the C. W. A.

Senator BUSHFIELD. And you worked there how long?

Mr. McPEAK. I worked there until the C. W. A. closed; they transferred me. I didn't leave the hospital at all.

Senator BUSHFIELD. You were on C. W. A. and you went to W. P. A?

Mr. MCPEAK. No; there was one drop in between those two.

Senator BUSHFIELD. Was there? I don't remember that.

Mr. MCPEAK. When they closed up they put me on the W. P. A. and after C. W. A. closed I was in charge of a lot of men out there; in fact it was the setting up of the grades; all the grading of the Gallinger Hospital grounds was up to me. I done that myself.

We had four or five other foremen there but that was part of my job.

When we went to putting in the concrete roads under the W. P. A., I had charge of laying the concrete roads. The fact is I came directly under Mr. Kuhn, and all the rest of the foremen on the project worked for me.

Senator BUSHFIELD. Did you work at Mr. Kuhn's house that we were asking him about a while ago?

Mr. McPEAK. No, sir.

Senator BUSHFIELD. You never had anything to do with this concrete?

· Mr. McPEAK. I never seen Mr. Kuhn's house.

Senator BUCK. In the construction of these roads, did the hospital furnish the material. or did the W. P. A. provide those as well as the labor?

Mr. MCPEAK. I think part of it was furnished by the hospital and part by the Federal Government, or W. P. A.

I think it was broken up into some proportion; now that part I wouldn't know how much there was of that; it is just what I heard. From the facts I don't know whether that was or not.

Senator BUSHFIELD. Will you step aside for a moment, Mr. MePeak, as we want to call another witness.

TESTIMONY OF JAMES H. FORD

Senator BUCK. Will you give your name and address to the secretary.

Mr. FORD. My name is James H. Ford; address is 2301 H Street NE. Senator BUSHFIELD. You are employed out at the Gallinger Hospital?

Mr. FORD. Yes, sir; I am.

Senator BUSHFIELD. What position?

Mr. FORD. I am an orderly in the operating room at present. Senator BUSHFIELD. How long have you been connected with the hospital?

Mr. FORD. Since June 26, 1931.

Senator BUSHFIELD. You have been there a long time?

Mr. FORD. Yes, sir; I have.

Senator BUSHFIELD. Are you acquainted with a man named Eicke? Mr. FORD. Yes, I was acquainted with him.

Senator BUSHFIELD. Does he work there now?

Mr. FORD. He does not. He is in the U. S. Army.

Senator BUSHFIELD. How long ago did he leave the hospital? Mr. FORD. I don't have the exact date, but I imagine it has been 14 months.

Senator BUSHFIELD. Did he work in the hospital quite a while? Mr. FORD. He was there if I am not mistaken when I was first employed.

Senator BUSHFIELD. So he was there for several years?
Mr. FORD. Oh, yes; he was.

Senator BUSHFIELD. And you know Charles West, the pharmacist, do you not?

Mr. FORD. Yes, I do.

Senator BUSHFIELD. Do you know where the liquor room is located out there?

Mr. FORD. Yes, sir. It is located in the tunnel leading from the nurses' home to the main kitchen.

Senator BUSHFIELD. During the early part of 1942, did you see Mr. Eicke and Charles West in the liquor room together? Mr. FORD. Yes, sir; I did.

Senator BUSHFIELD. Tell what you saw.

Mr. FORD. I saw them in the liquor room when I was coming from the children's ward, which also leads off this tunnel, and they were both in the room and they were on the verge of leaving the room evidently, and each had a package in their arm that appeared to be whisky bottles.

I have seen those whisky bottles in the hospital pharmacy by having to go in there after drugs, and those bottles were wrapped in some form of paper and they were in bags and the tops of the bags were not closed at the time, and when I passed by naturally I saw these because Mr. Eicke was standing on the outside of the room and Mr. West was getting ready to come out and close the door. Senator BUSHFIELD. What did they do with these packages?

Mr. FORD. I went to the rear of the main building, which also leads off that same tunnel, and I was standing at the back door-it was near my lunch hour-and I was standing there talking to one of the other hospital employees when they came by and they walked out past me going in the direction of the supply department, and instead of going in the supply department they went to the car which was owned by Mr. Eicke outside, and Mr. Eicke unlocked the door and those bottles were placed in there.

Senator BUSHFIELD. You are more or less familiar with the routine of the hospital there, are you not?

Mr. FORD. I am in some ways.

Senator BUSHFIELD. Employees cannot purchase liquor or other supplies there, can they?

Mr. FORD. I haven't heard of any one being able to do so.

Senator BUSHFIELD. Have you known Mr. West quite a while? Mr. FORD. Yes, sir; I have been knowing him ever since I have been employed there.

Senator BUSHFIELD. He has charge of the drugs as well as of the whiskey or liquor?

Mr. FORD. I don't know whether he has charge of it or not, but as I understand it he issues all medical supplies from the pharmacy. Senator BUSHFIELD. I notice in your affidavit that you submitted here, James, that you say as follows:

I have also seen John Thomas, a W. P. A. worker, who was assigned to do work under Dr. Charles West, the pharmacist, take packages from the drug room out through the admitting office door and put these packages in West's automobile. On several occasions I have noticed that the so-called whisky issued to patients is a mixture made up in the drug room by West who uses