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: "L. Whatever he means by his Supremacy, we mean no such thing, or other than that he is the First or Chief of the Bishops, and as such, think our felves obliged to keep Communion with him. .-G. But when he means one thing by his Supremacy, and you mean another, and he has sufficiently declared what he means by it, and requires your owning it' and swearing to it, for his Security. Who deal moft sincerely with him, we who not believing any such Supremacy in him, will neither own it nor swear to it : Or you, who not believing it more than we, in the Senle you know he means it, yet own it in General Terms, but in a quite contrary Sense to what you know he means, and trusts to as his Security? We Disown it, and Fight 2gainst it : You Fight against it as much as we, yer seem to own it.
L. But though we differ from the Pope upon the Point of his Supremacy, yet we keep Conso munion with him. :.
(24.) G. Is not Excommunication putting a Man out of Communion ?
· L. Yes, for so is the Word Ex-communicate, that is, to put out of Communion.
- G. Can a Man be faid then to be in the Communion of a Bishop who has Ex-communicated him? 'L. No, I think not, else Ex-communication fignifies nothing.
G. Then · G. Then none can be truly said to be in Communion with the Pope who are Excommunicated by every Year, in the Bulla in Cæna : And that is all France, and you, My Lord, and all who are on your side of the Question concerning the Supremacy of the Pope, for that is the Main, almost the only Subject of that Bull. - L. But all Casuilts do agree, that an Excom manication does not bind, which is made Clave Errante, that is, where the Judge passes Sentence through Mil-information, Inadvertence or of Malice, Self-designs, or other Sinifter Motive; in these the Judge has erred, and also where he has exceeded his Authority, and extended it to things that are not subject to it; in these Cases the Sentence is unjust, and will not be ratified in Heaven.
G. But who is fudge whether the Sentence be pronounced Clave Errante or not? And how far the Pope's Authority does extend: He has Excommunicated you, all of you, as if each one were particularly named, for so it is expressed in the Bull. On the other hand, you despise this Bul, and say, with the Parliament of Paris, p. 44, 45. That he has hereby Excommunicated himselt! And so you have a Head of the Church who is Excommunicated! And so of every Pope who gives his Sanition to this Bull, chatis, all the Popes in our time, and long before. And from whose Communion is the Pope of Rome Excommunicated? Is there any other Communion but that of Rome : Is a Persoo Excommunicated no longer a Member of the Church? And can he then
be the Head of it? These are Matters of no smalt Importance, no less than whether we are Members of the Church, or cut off from it ? You are cut off, says the Pope and Church of Rome. No, says France to them, you your selves are cut off. And yet these Two Churches are the same! And is there no Judge in this Case? Is every Man left to his own private Judgment ? How then have we been Teazed with that Question, Who Mall be Judge This answers all Objections with you; for begin at what Point of Popery we will, and bring Arguments never so Convincing, we are always stopt with this Question, Who shall be Judge? And so you refer all to the Authority of your Church. But when you Answer this as to your own Case, you will have Answered it as to us too.
If the Pope is Supreme Head of the Univer: fal Church, he must have Power of Excommunication over all in his own Communion, that is, according to his Scheme, over all ChriNians in the World. And to dispute the Validity of his Excommunication, is a total Denial of his Supremacy, and setting up ancther Supreme above him. And who is that? Who is Judge whether his Excommunication is valid, or not? And by what Authority does he judgeIt must be by some Authority Superior to that of the Pope. And so he is Supreme over the Supreme.
But if the Pope's Excommunication stands (without which his Supremacy falls) we may
d: All the Christian
Kings and Princes that are or ever were in the World, even those of his own Communion, particularly in England, as well before the Reformation as fince, are all together Cursed and Anathematized to the Pit of Hell, by the Bulla in Cæna; and with them, all their Bishops, Divines, Parliaments, Judges, Lawyers, Clerks, Printers and Publishers, or any others who have any manner of way been Aiding, Allifting, or Consenting, though tacitly, to the Contravention of their Princes to any Part of this Bull, that is, as I said before, almost every one above the Condition of a Ploughman, are hereby all Damnd, by all the Authority the Pope has. Therefore have a Care of giving him too much, for he will take all any body will give. He accepted this from
Bellarmin, that if the Pope should De Rom. Pont. Command the Practice of Vice, and 1. 4. C. 5.
forbid Virtue, the Church were bound to believe Vice to be good, and Virtue to be wicked. Nay his own Canon Law faith, That if the Pope were so wicked, as to carry with Decret. part 1. him innumerable People by Troops diß 40.can.6. as Slaves to Hell, to be with şi. Papa. bimself for ever Tormented ; yet no Mortal Man whatever must presume here to reprove his Faults, because he is Judge of all, and himself to be judged of none. So 'chen they must keep their Reproofs, and not endeavour to stop the Career till they are with Him in Hell, for then I suppose his Supremacy ceales! Behold the Machine, of Humane Invention, 'which God never thought of, nor ever once mentioned, of Climbing to Heaven by a sort of Mechanism, upon a Ladder of Popes, Cardinals, Councils, &c. And though we see them leading us by Troops into Hell, we must give no Obstruction, because it would break the Machine of their being our Infallible Guides to Heaven!
(23.) L. But after all, if you could find an Infallible Guide, whom you believed to be so, it would give you much Ease, and be a Comfort to you.
G. But I must have some Reason to be lieve him to be such a Guide. And I could not be more sure of it, than of the Truth of 'that Reason upon which I did believe it. So that all Recurs upon my own Reason ftill. And if my Reason misleads me in this, it is the most fatal Delusion, because it stops all Methods of Recovery, when I have once given to another the Dominion over my Faith. But this the Apostles disclaimed, for when they Exhorted the Churches, they said, Not for that we have Dominion over z Cor. I. 24. your Faith, but are Helpers of your Joy : For by Faith ye stand that is, by your own Faith. And if we, or an Angel from Heaven preach any other Gospel un
Gal. I. 8. to you, let him be accursed. Did 6 not this make them Judges, whether any New Gospel or Doctrine was Preached unto them? And our Saviour bids them fick to