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G. Which, as I told you, never was, and it is next to impossible ever should be. ..
And this gives up your whole Foundation for the Popes and not Councils pretend to be the Succeffors of St. Peter, and Heirs of all the Promises made to hiin. ..
In the next place, you are not Agreed among : your felves concerning General Councils. Bellarmin.. (de Concil. l. 1. c. 6.) gives a lift of General Councils which are to be Rejected, Concilia Generalia reprobata, fome for not being Approved by the Pope, some for ; Herefy, and some she might have said All) as not being Received by the Universal Church, but he meant only the Church of Rome. And chap. 7. is of General Councils, partly Confirmed, and partly Reproa'. bated. And chap. 8. is of a General Council neither Manifeftly Approved, nor Manifestly Rejected. This is going through all the Degrees of Uncertainty. And : c. 5. and de Rom. Pont.l. 4.6. 11. he says, The feveral things in those Councils allowed to be General were foisted in by Hereticks, he knows not how. This was to get rid of some Objections against these Coun
cils he could not Answer otherwise. And (de Ecclef. Milit.c. 16.) he Quotes the last Council of Lateran Condemning the Council of Bafil, which he says was at first a true Ecumenical Council, and Infallible, but afterwards turned to a Scbifmatical Conventicle, and was of no Authority at all. The Church of France receive the Councils of Bafil and Constance wholly and throughout: But the Church of Rome reject both in part. So that they who place the Infallibility in Councils, will need another Infallible Judge to determin these Disputes concerning the Coun. cils; which are truly General, and which not a and which are partly so, and which throughout and what Part of thofe that are throughout have been Corrupted by Hereticksing if that can be called true throughout which is Corrupted in any Part. And when one Council condeinns another, which shall we Believe? And if we must not believe every Council that calls it felf Oeciemeni cal, we can believe no other Council against it, for the fame Rerson: The Second Council of Epbesus is generally Condeinned in your Church; yet it called it felfOecumenical, and was as much so as any of the others. And what a thing is it to say, that a Council is partly right and partly wrong? And who is judge of that? Is there any Certainty in this, fár less Infallibility? And we must have an Infallible Method too to preserve the Aets of these Councils, that, they be
not Adulterated, as Bellarmin says they have • been ; and they continue so to this day in the Voluines of their Councils. Why then are they
not Amended, and these Suppositions and Adulterated parts (these are Bellarmin's own Words) struck out? But the several Editions of their Councils are in the Hands of other Churches, and therefore they can enake no Alteration in them without being Detected.: ,:
So that the Scheme of the Infallibility you place in your Councils stands thus ; the Church of Rome inakes her self the Univerfalor Catbelick Church, infomuch that all who are not of her Communion (which are by far the greatelt part of the Christian Churches in the World) are out of the Pale of the Catholick Church: And Schismaticks and Hereticks are no Parts of a Car tholick Council : Thus a finall part of the Latin Cburch. (exclusive of the Greek and all other Churches) are the whole Catholick. Church, and these little Party Councils, under the Direction of the Pape, are Universal and Infallible ! But. as is she,w.n, the Church of Rome has no Right to the Title of the Latin Church it self, far less of the Universal. And she has now but a finalt part of the Latin Church left her, The Refore med, with Russia, and the Greek Church, will out-number her in Europe, and he has no National Church in herComnunion any-where else.
L. But there are some of her Communion in mnost Countries. . . G. Not so many as of the Jews, who by this are more Universal than your Church, and so more Catholick. And none of the Scattered See
minaries of Rome in other Christian Churches can ' be said to Represent those Churches in a Generali Council, more than two or three Titular. Popis Bishops in England could Represent the Church of England as it now stànds. But, on the cons trary, their living in a separate Communion in other Christian Churches, Thew's thofe Churches not to be of their communion ; and therefore cannot be Represented in any of their Councils. And these calling themselves Oecumenical, aš the Roman Empire did, shews only how little Criticisms upon Words will avail against plain Matter of Fact; which I have shewed to be the Cafe as to those Tests urged for the Supremacy of St. Peter. And that if Words would do it, there are more, nay and Faits too, for
the Universal Supremacy of St. Paul, at least · over all the Christian Churches of the Gentiles, which are all now in the World.
(9.)L. But there must be an Infallibility some where in the Church, and if it be neither in Pope nor Council, or that as you say, there never was, nor well can be a General Council, truly so called, that is, of all the Churches in the World, where do you place the Infallibility ?
G. No where, my Lord, nor can it be among Men who are all Fallible.
L. We trust not in Men, as Men, but Allisted by the Infallible Spirit of God. And this He has Promised shall never depart from His Church, as He has said, Isä. lix. 21. My Spirit that is upon thee, and iny Words which I have put in thy Mouth, shall not depart out of thý Mouth, nor out of the Mouth of thy Seed, nor out of the Mouth of thy Seeds Seeil faith the
- Lord, Lord, from benceforth and for ever. And He has said, that the Priests lips Mould keep knowa ledge, and they should seek the Law at bis Moutb, for be is the Messenger of the Lord of Holts. Mal: ii. 7 .
; : ; 7; G. Read the next Words, But ye are depara ted out of the way: ye bave caused many to ftuinble at the Law : ye have corrupted the Cos venant of Levi, faith the Lord. The first is what they should or ought to have done, the second is what they did do, which was quite contrary i
And notwithstanding the Promife made in the first Text you quoted, yet they were all gone out of the way, they were together become abominable, tijere was none that did good, no not one.-thåt all the World might become' guilty before God, as well the Church as the rest of the 'World. Rom. iii. 12, 19. And of the Church it is said, The whole Head is fick, and the whole Heart faint : from the fole of tbe foot even untó the Hend, there is no Soundnefsinit, but Wounds "and Bruises and putrifying Søres. Ifa. j. 5; 6. And God says, Mine Heritage is unto me as a Lion in the foreft, it cryeth out againft me, therefore bave i bated it ; Mine Heritage is, unto më as a speckled bird-&c. Jer. xii. 8, 9. :
And we have now long since seen that Church of the Jews, to whom these Promifes were made, quite thrown off, and the Church of the Gentiles come in its place
L. These Proinises were ultimatly intended to the Christian Church