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he bas advanced relative to the situa- the roof was entirely modern, contion of the Hall of Winchester Palace. sisting only of plain rafters, tiled in However it may appear to Mr. Gwilt the usual manner. Nor would I venthat my observations are founded in ture to state this, had not our view of "error" yet I presume he will allow the window been obstructed by several that for his own he has little belter beams crossing it in various directions authority than conjecture. I shall to support the roof. As Mr. G. adnot venture to “ussert” that the mits that a portion Eastward was Hall was either on the East or West taken down, it is, 1 presume, not imside of the circular window; but s possible that the West end might have will certainly again repeat, that the shared a similar fate, and thus have Western portion bears evidently the eluded our observation. But it apo strongest marks of that apartment in pears strange that any should have erery particular which distinguishes existed, while only the South wall rem it from any other in such establishe mained for its support. Were the ments. Of the supposed Hall, only builders of the warehouses so careful the South and West walls remain, as of the antient vestige, that they acstated; not a stone either of the East commodated their walls to sustain it? or North is to be traced : the site of And does it seem likely that their the former is mere supposition, the care extended so far as to support it, latter is evident. To pass over the while they destroyed the old wall to inconsistency of having the dining; erect one of brick? In short, we hall 118 feet in length, which would may ask, why was it destroyed at all, make it appear to have occupied if they had any inclination to prenearly half the site of the whole Pa serve the roof? The case is very difJace *, we shall consider the Rooft, ferent Westward of the window; 12 which your Correspondent says was feet of the wall adjoining the gable op the East side of ihe window. This was left perfect its whole height, with I cannot contradict.
one large window in it, and the founIn 1807, Mr. Carter and myself, and dation between that and the Westera several other friends, made our second extremity. From this it is evident survey of St. Mary Overey's Church, the wall was never completely de and Wiochester Palace; and this beau. molished, though certainly repaired, tiful circular window formed the chief and in many places rebuilt; and beobject of our inquiry. After some fore the fire in 1814, the whole line difficulty, we got access to the ware of wall was a picturesque variely of house in which it was concealed, and brick and stone. Here we could feel found it much obstructed by packages, no apprehension for the roof; za para &c. which reached nearly to the roof. tial disturbavce of the wall could not I can assert it was the East side of the endanger the whole tiiber-frame ; it window we were near, as I bave now certainly did not hang in the air while before me a section of the mouldings, another was rebuildiug. I cannot acwhich upon comparison exactly agree count for the weather cornice on the Dow it is exposed; the sides are so West side (supposing that to have materially different (in the architrave), been within); nor can my opponent and the disposition so unlike, that no for a similar cornice, surrounding not mistake is possible to have arisen, only the window on the East, but likeand I can without hesitation say, that wise the doorways below.
* The proportion of the Hall to the rest of the building may be seen at Lam beth; Haddon Hall, Derbyshire; Hampton Court; Bolton Hall, Yorkshire ; and many others.
+ I am at a loss to conceive upon what grounds Mr. G. supposes the roof to be of higher antiquity than that in the remains of the Royal Palace at Eltham. I can. enumerate nearly thirty timber roofs which I have seen and drawn in various parts of the Kingdom, none of which are later than the reign of Henry VIH.; and that at Winchester Palace certainly is the most modern. Perhaps some of the earliest timber-work in existence will be found at that truly curious and little known, though extensive vestige of Samlesbury Hall, Lancashire, about the time of Edward III. ; then follow Mitton and Bolton Halls, Yorkshire; Westminster Hall; &c. &c. in each of these are peculiar characters to denote their age, which were to be found in the roof under consideration. The ornaments precisely correspond with those in the South Porch, and in the Cloisters of Chester Cathedral.
The idea of the Western division are distinguished, that you will insert having formed the menial offices, is the accompanying vindication of bis truly whimsical, and almost unworthy conduct. The paper which I inclose of observation. Will it be admitted is the narrative of the business writfor a moment that the kitchen, but- ten by the Rev. Mr. O'Brien himself, tery, and pantry, were closely at- and was sent to this Country for the tached to the Hall? And does it seem purpose of being inserted in the probable that their dimensions would Times Newspaper, in which the article be nearly equal, and their design cer first appeared; but as it has found its tainly surpass, that of the largest and way into your Magazine, I hope no most conspicuous apartment in the further appeal is necessary to induce Palace ? And farther, would such you to acquiesce in giving insertion offices be placed in the most conspi- to the antidote.
J. C. cuous situation, on the terrace, while
Cork, Feb. 2. the state apartments were situated in A Paragraph having been inserted in the back-ground, gloomy and unno The Times of Jan. 13, in which my conticed ? Certainly not; such a build- duct, on a former occasion, is grossly mising would be made to hide its utility represented; I trust you will not refuse if so situated, and have good windows me an opportunity of correcting, through to carry on the design; yet this will the same medium, the mis-statements not account for the lights being larger of that letter, and of thus removing than those of the (supposed) Hall. from the public mind the unfavourable Uoder such circumstances they would impressions which the misrepresentation
is calculated to make. Your Correbe sufficiently inferior to prevent the kitchen being mistaken for the Hall.
spondent is not, I am ready to allow, There is no difficulty in explaining
the fabricator of the calumny which he
now exbibits to public view : he, like what appears from old prints to be the superficial author of The Stranger a continuation of the path or street in Ireland, has only raked it from the from the landing stairs. What is now mire of refuted slander. It appeared a modern brick archway on the South nine or ten years since, in The Dublin side, I apprehend was always an en- Journal, from whence it was then copied trance doorway, but only on this side; into some of the contemporary London if it bad not been, how was the sup- Newspapers. posed Hall, or Kitchen and copoect On the first appearance of this atroing offices, to be approached ? Surely cious statement, I addressed the publick, not from the terrace, where select and refuted the calumny of which it was company alone recreated at particular replete. My defence appeared in the
Cork Mercantile Chronicle; it was copied times ! These, Mr. Urban, are but few re
from that paper into, not only those of marks to what could be brought for. also into the London Courier, the Morn
Dublin, Waterford, and Limerick, but ward from a collection I have been ing Chronicle, &c. &c. and now, after å several years forming; yet they will lapse of nine or ten years, the calumny is be sufficient to shew that no opinion revived, with all the fascination of nocan be laid down as positive ; and I velty, whilst its refutation is studiously shall trespass no farther upon your withheld.
In the article to which I advert, I am At sone future time it is my inten- accused of having excommunicated one tion to seloct a paper relative to the of my flock, for not having contributed antient Ferry, but not in the least con towards building of a Chapel, or Roman nected with the present observations. Catholic house of worship. I am charged &c. AN OBSERVER.
with having exacted, in an arbitrary way, unreasonable contributions from a
supposed injured parishioner; and it is Tottenham-Court added, that these facts have been proved Mr. URBAN, Road, Feb. 20. in a Court of Justice, by two unwilling
witnesses. Now, Sir, I unhesitatingly S you have,
, in the face of this Country Journal the vehicle of conveying to fear of contradiction on the part of the the publick a very severe attack upon honourable Judge, or of the respectable the character of an individual, I make Jury, who tried it, that these charges Bo apology for requesting, as a mark are atrociously calumnious. I have, at of inat impartiality for which you this moment, the minutes of that trial
before me. It is not true that I received me at the Summer Assizes of 1805, and any contribution towards building a having no grounds on which he could, Chapel from Donovan. It is not true, honestly, sustain it, a wretch of infainous of course, that he, as that letter states, character was suborned to swear, that I paid certain sums, and that more exor excommunicated him, and every one that bitant demands were then made. In all should deal with him. When this wretch this malignant fabrication there is not a unexpectedly gave her evidence, I inword of truth. I shall now state the formed the Counsel who had the chief case which gave rise to this mischievous management of my defence, that there letter.
were twenty respectable witnesses in In the year 1800, I opened a subscrip- Court, who were ready to rebut every tion for the purpose of building a Chapel thing which she deposed. I begged in Clonakilty. "Reles, for carrying the of him not to allow her perjury to go to subscription into effect, were drawn up, à Jury unrefuted. He was of opinion, and approved of by all the subscribers. that as some of the Jurors were not unThe parishioners from whom subscrip- acquainted with her character, and with tions were looked for (from the poor the circumstances of the case, her evi. nothing was expected) were classed into dence could have no weight. I relucthree descriptions. From the first, or tantly acquiesced. No witness was examost opulent class, a guinea was ex mined on the part of my defence; and pected; from the second, three crowns; the consequence was, that the Judge, in and from the third class, a half-guinea. bis charge, informed the Jury that they The persons placed in the higher classes should find a verdict for the plaintiff; were at liberty to descend to a lower they found one of fifty pounds. The scale, and those in a more humble line deluded woman, on whose testimony, were free, of course, to assume a higher this decision was founded, died soon situation; and should any man, or num after, a deplorable victim of remorse and ber of men, having means to contribute, despair. refuse their co-operation, it was expected In justification of the part I have that such would not obtrude on the sub- taken in this transaction, I shall only scribers, by taking their place in a say, that I acted with a conviction that house, to the construction and other ex I was warranted in conscience, and by pences of which they were not willing law. I was not aware of any reason to contribute.
why a number of Roman Catholic subo In two or three years after the build- scribers may not purchase a plot of ing was erected, considerable debts re ground, and build a house thereon, for mained to be liquidated. Some of the any uses that were not illegal, with an original subscribers did not yet pay their, exclusive right of making regulations, subscriptions. These defaulters were by which that house should be governed. earnestly and repeatedly called upon I saw good and loyal subjects, in every during three years. The creditors were part of the United Kingdom, forming daily becoming more importunate in themselves into associations, clubs, subtheir olemands; and I was applied to by scribers tu commercial buildings, &c. &c. the subscribers, and urged to carry the I saw the founders and supporters of regulations adopted by them into effect, these various associations making rules by excluding from the Chapel all those for the government of their societies— who shamefully withheld the contri- admitting and excluding such descripbutions which they had voluntarily tions of persons as they deemed meet, agreed to pay. I therefore ordered a I conceived that the subscribers to the list of these defaulters to be drawn up, Clonakilty Chapel were warranted to and placed in a conspicuous part of the act in a similar manner; and had I ima. Chapel, that no man should plead igno- gined that their conduct could, by any
I advised them to resort to ano construction of law, be considered ina ther Chapel, not far from the town, until correct, I should be as far from sancthey should be pleased to pay their quota tioning it as any man living. This, Sir, of the contribution; and threatened any is my defence of a transaction which bas of those persons who should, after a de. slept for so many years, and is now refined period, enter the new Chapel, with vived from motives which, 1 apprehend, an ecclesiastical censure. Donovan was are not the inost untainted. the only one of them who contumaciously Yours, &c. WILLIAM O'BRIEN, · resisted the regulations of the subscribers, and the authority of his pastor.
Mr. Piştier THOMPSON asks, Who The congregation witnessed his audacity, was the author of " The Ax laid to the and resented it, by withdrawing them- Root of Christian Priestcraft; in four selves, in some measure, from his com Discourses, -by--& Layman. - London, Bunion. He brought his actien against printed for.T. Cooper, 1742." in 8vo.!
Mr, URBAN, Essex-house, April 6. over and over, till their stomachs TA
HOUGH Bp. Burgess gives me pauseate the dose), that in his vindi
Do credit for sincerity, I cannot cation of the Claims of Dr. Priestley, refuse that credit to his Lordship: Mr. B. bas stated that “ Truth must on the contrary, if be were not the necessarily be the object of the aver. most sincere and artless of human sion and abhorrence of those, whose boings, he would never commit him. hopes are built upon the profession self in the way in which he has done and defence of a system of theology in his two" Addresses to persons call. which is the relick of a dark and bar, ing themselves Unitarians.” But I am barous age.” The learned Prelate truly'surprized that he has not some does not appear to recollect that discreet friend to warn him of the Truth is opposed to error as well as evil consequences of writing in a mag to falsehood. And as Mr. B. conder so easy of refutation, and so inju- ceives that many of the doctrines prorious to his character and to his cause. fessed by the Established Church, and
The whole of the Bishop's secood subscribed and laught by the Clergy, Address lies before me. It is printed are in the bighest degree upscriptural in the form of a sixpenny pamphlet'; and erroneous, be must regard the and had it beeu published only in this advocales for those errors as enemies form, to be circulated among the to Truth; in the foremost rank of mountaineers of his Lordship's Dio- whom, is the learved Prelate himself. cese, with many of whom it is, no And this may happen without the doubt, a first principle, that a learned slightest impeachment of their moral and Right Reverend Bishop cannot character: it may even be the result err, I should have had some suspic of a conscientious sense of duty. cion that "though his Lordship said Nevertheless, as the expression was it, he did not believe it;" but now liable to misapprebension, and bad, ia that he offers it to the inspection of fact, given umbrage, an explanation the enlightened and liberal Readers of it was offered in a late Number of of the Gentleman's Magazine, it is a the Gentleman's Magazine. With this clear proof that he really is, what I explanasion, however, the learned should hardly have thought possible, Prelate is dissatisfied. He may, pers in good earnest ; that he really be haps, be dissatisfied still : but, as I Jienes his owo assertions, and confides have no further explanation to give, in his own arguments. And I feel it must be left to the judgment of the obliged to his Lordship, for affording candid and impartial. me an opportunity of meeting him The Bishop, however, will not let again upon this public arena, and of me off so easily. “ The words," he referring the decision of the contest to
were not the hasty effusion of ao intelligent and impartial tribunal. an angry moment, but big old and
In that portion of the Address which accustoined language.” To establish you bave already communicated to this charge, the Bishop cites two or ihe publick, Bp. Burgess has attacked three sentences which are said to be me personally, as a reviler of the taken from my Review of Mr. Wil Clergy of the Established Church. berforce's celebrated Treatise on Prae la the second part, which is yet to tical Christianity, which Review was come *, he attacks my Review of tbe published in the year 1797. Controversy between Bp. Horsley and It is some satisfaction that the Pr. Priestley. As my character is learned Prelate is obliged to travel implicated in the first charge, I beg almost twenty years back, before he leave to avail myself of the earliest can fasten upon another passage in opportunity of replying to it: and I the works which I have published, bave no doubt of obtaining a favour. which can be so represented as to be able verdict, Mr. Urban, from all your apparently disrespectful to the Estarespectable and candid Readers. blished Clergy, for that it is really so
The first of the Bishop's allegations I deny, and shall immediately disis the old story (for wben tbe learned prove. Bp. Burgess appears to know Prelate has once got hold of a good nothing of the work which he bar thing, he never knows when lo let it quoted, but what he borrows from drop, but treats bis Readers with it that eminently liberal and candid cri
tiek the Dean of Cork; from whosa • See it in p. 313. noted Treatise on the Alonement, the
Bishop cites the following words : This new allegation the Right Re“In his (Mr. B.'s) Review of Mr. verend Prelate seizes with his usual Wilberforce's excellent work, he says, avidity, and comments upon it with
an Established Priesthood is, in its his accustomed suavity of temper and very nature, a persecuting, Order. of diction. All breathe the same fiery and intem It loses nothing in his Lordship's perale spirit'."
hands. His own improved version of It is very true, Mr. Urban, that Mr. the text is, B. in his Review of Mr. Wilberforce “ Mr. Belsham says, the Clergy are bas used language similar to this of paid to discountenance and repress the Ecclesiastical Orders in general, when truth." supported by the State ; not, how
And in a strain of indignant resentever, without some honourable indi- ment he adds, vidual exceptions, among which it
“ A more false and atrocious calumny would have given him pleasure to
never was uttered. So contrary, indeed, have been able to include the Right is it to the truth, that, instead of reReverend Bishop of St. David's, and tracting, I again repeat, Mr. Belsham lbe Very Reverend Dean of Cork. may say this, but he cannot believe it." But that no particular reflection was
Hold, my Lord ;-not quite so fast, intended upon the Clergy of the Established Church, is abundantly evident precipitate. Mr. Belsham nerer ut
Your Lordship is apt to be a little too from the context, wbich it did not coinport with the design of the Dean puted to him: nor any thing like it.
tered nor wrote what you have im. of Cork to introduce. It stands in 199 of the first edition of the Review: Your Lordship and the Dean of Cork
have been so kind as to say it for him: “ An Established Priesthood is in its and then to reproach him most un. very nature a persecuting Order. There mercifully, and to hold him up to has been no exception to this Rule. public indignation, for saying, wbat Heathen and Christian, Jew and Maho he never did say, and for publishing a metan, Papist and Protestant, Episco- Libel upon the Established Clergy, palian and Presbyterian, when in have all breathed the same fiery and in which you, my Lord, the Right Retemperate spirit, a few enlightened in- verend Bishop of St. David's, and dividuals only excepted. Men who are
your high authority the Very Reveengaged to defend an established system rend Dean of Cork, have yourselves are, from that very circumstance, en- invented and published for him. gaged to discourage inquiry, and to op What say you, my Lord ? is this pose truth, unless, which is not often fair play?-But I forbear to comment: the case, truth should happen to be the or to apply appropriate epithets. I established doctrine.''
cast myself upon the judgment of the Mr. Urban, whether your intelli- publick; and I leave your Lordship, gent Readers agree or disagree with and the Dean of Cork, to whom inMr. B. upon the question concerning deed the merit of invention principally the general tendency of Religious belongs, to the luxury of your own Establishments, it would be an affront reflections. I have only to request, to their understandings to suppose, that the next time your Lordship for a moment, that they could regard condescends to indulge in your fathe passage
which I have just cited as vourite amusement of accumulating an iptentional reflection upon the opprobrious language upon so obEstablished Clergy. But we see bow scure an individual as myself, you much may be made of a few short will have the goodness not to make sentences, artfully garbled, and al- me responsible for what I have not tered to suit a particular purpose. written. If from the works which I
But this alone, Mr. Urban, does not bave published, which are now tolesatisfy my accusers. They must in- rably voluminous, your Lordship will terpolate as well as garble. To the take the trouble to extract a sentence words cited by his Lordship, the Very here, and half a sentence there, and Rey. Dean adds, in commas, as if they so on, in the way that Lord Peter contained au extract from Mr. Bi's found out “Shoulder-knot” in his work, these remarkable words: Father's Will, it will be hard indeed 6. Truth, and honest inquiry, they are
your Lordship cannot make me say paid to discountenance and to repress." any thing you please, without racking Gent. MAG. April, 1815.