in ages to come? Is it because Kings have ordained, and Priests defended it? No; but because GOD formed man to be religious. Its great and eternal principles, are inscribed on his heart; they are inscribed in characters which are indelible; nor can the violence of infidelity blot them out. Obscured indeed they may be by the influence of sin, and remain not legible during the reign of passion. But a calm ensues: the calm of reason, or the night of adversity, from the midst of whose darkness, a light proceeds which renders the origina. inscription visible. Man now turns his eye inward upon himself. He reads "RESPONSIBILITY," and as he reads, he feels a sense of sin and dread of punishment. He now pays from necessity an homage to religion-an homage which cannot be withheld it i, the homage of his nature. We have now traced the effect to its cause, and referred this abiding trait in the human character, to its principle. The question is not then, whether you will embrace religion? Religion you must embrace-but whether you will embrace revealed religion, or that of erring and blind plilosophy. And with respect to this question can you hesitate? The former has infinitely more to recommend it than the latter. It originated in heaven. It is founded, not on conjecture, but on fact. Divinity manifested itself in the person, and shone in the life of its Author. True, he appeared in great humility; but though the humility in which he appeared had been greater than it was, either the sublimity of his doctrines, or the splendor of his actions had been sufficient to evince his Mesiahship, and prove that he was the SAVIOUR of the World. He spoke as man never spoke! Whence did he derive wisdom so transcendent From reason? No; reason could nor give it, for it had it not to give. What reason could never teach, the Gospel teaches: that in the vast and perfect government of the universe, vicarious sufferings can be accepted; and that the dread Sovereign, who administers that government, is gracious as well as just. Nor does it rest in declaration merely-It exhibits before our eyes the altar and the victim-the LAMB of GOD, which taketh away the sins of the world. The introduction of CHRISTIANITY, was called the coming of the Kingdom of Heaven. No terms could have been more appropriate -For through it man shared the mercy, and from it caught the spirit of the heavens. The moral gloom which shrouded the nations receded before it. The temples of superstition and of cruelty, consecrated by its entrance, became the assylum of the wretched, and resounded with their anthems of grace Most benga has been the influence of Christianity, and were it cordially received, and universally submitted to, war would cease; injustice be banished, and primeval happiness revisit the earth. Every inhabitant, pleased with his situation, resigned to his lot, and full of the hopes of heaven, would pass agreebly through life, and meet death without a sigh. Is the morality of the Gospel pre-eminently excellent? So is its object pre-eminently glorious. Philosophy, confines its views to this world principally. It endeavors to satisfy man with the groveling joys of earth, till he returns to that dust out of which he was taken. Christianity takes a nobler flight. Her course is directed towards immortality. Thither she conducts her votary, and never forsakes him, till, having introduced him into the society of angels, she fixes his eternal residence, among the spirits of the just. Philosophy can only heave a sigh, a longing sigh after immortality. Eternity is to her an unknown vast, over which she soars on conjecture's trembling wing. Above-beneath-around-is an unfathomable void; and doubt, uncertainty, or despair, are the result of all her enquiries. Christianity, on the other hand, having furnished all necessary information concerning life, with firm and undaunted step, crosses death's narrow isthmus, and boldly launches forth into that dread futurity which borders on it, Her path is marked with glory. The once dark, dreary region brightens as she approaches it, and benignly smiles as she passes o ver it. Faith fellows where she advances; till reaching the summit of everlasting hills, an unknown scene, in endless varieties of loveliness and beauty, presents itself, over which the ravished eye wanders, without a cloud to dim or a limit to obstruct its sight. In the midst of this scene, rendered luminous by the glory which covers it, the citythe palace-the THRONE of GOD appears. Trees of life wave their ambrosial tops around it; rivers of salvation issue from beneath it. Before it, angels touch their harps of living melody, and saints, in sweet respose, breathe forth to the listening heavens their grateful songs. The breezes of Paradise waft the symphony, and the bending sky directs it to the earth. The redeemed of the LORD, catch the distant sound, and feel a sudden rapture. 'Tis the voice of departed friendship-friendship, the loss of which they mourn upon the earth, but which they are now assured will be restored in the heavens from whence a voice is heard to say," Fear not ye, death cannot injure you; the grave cannot confine you through its chill mansion, GRACE will conduct you up to glory. We wait your arrivalhaste, therefore, come away." All this Christianity will do for you. It will do more than this: It consecrates the sepulchre, into which your bodies, already touched by death, will presently descend. There, mouldering into dust, your flesh shall rest in HOPE. Nor will the season of its humiliation last for ever. Christianity, faithful to her trust, appears for its re. demption. She approaches and stands before the tomb: She stretches out her sceptre and smites the sepulchre-Its moss-grown covering rends assur der. She cries to the silent inhabitants within it. -Her energizing voice echoes along the cold, damp vaults of death, renovating skin and bones, and dust and putrefaction.-Corruption puts on incorruption, and mortal immortality. Her former habitation, thus refined and sublimated by the resurrection, the exulting soul re-enters, and thenceforth the measure of her joy is full. Selected. [Mr. Prentiss, editor of the Virginia Gazette, gives the following account of the fellow who was lately promoted at Boston, for forgery. Edit. Bal] THIS perfon's name is not John H Nichols, but Jonathan Nichols. To the writer of this article he is well known; and, as it is very probable that after this chaftifment in Boflon, he will feck employment in fome printing office in the middle or Southern flates it would be well to give fome account of him,and to defcribe him fo that no one may be deceived by him. Jonathan Nichols is a native of Wilmington, (Mafs.) His father is an honeft induftrious fhoemaker of that town. Jonathan having taken an inclination to books, his father, though he could ill afford it, fent him to Andover Academy, where he continued a confiderable time; till he was detected in flealing, and was obliged to abfcond. He fometime afterwards lived with a country merchant, from whom he ran away; and in the year '98 came to my office, and wifhed to learn the printing- ufinefs. Not knowing his character & Here thought and langage fail me. Inspiration it-finding him of capacity and fchool learning self describes the glories of futurity by declaring them indiscribable. Eye hath not seen, ear hath not heard, neither hath it entered into the heart of man to conceive, the things which are prepared for the people of GOD.-What ideas are these? How must the soul exult at the prospect, and swell with the amazing conception!" As Christianity exhibits the most enrapturing fuperior to other boys, I received him and had him, bound as an apprentice.-Finding him rather inclined to the doctrines of the new school, and deteƐing him in feveral immoralities, I first attempted to reform him by reafoning with him; after, by motives to the practice of virtue, so it urges the whipping, but all to no purpose. In Janu most tremenduous considerations to deter from vice. She declares, solemnly and irrevocably declares, That the wages of sin are DEATH." And to enforce her declaration, points to the concluding scene of nature; When, amidst a departing heaven and a dissolving world, the Son of MAN shall descend. with the voice of the archangel and the trump of GOD, to be glorified in his saints and take vengeance on his eneinies! Such is the Gospel-and here I rest my obervationsAt this affecting crisis, my beloved Pupils, THIS GOSPEL I deliver you. It is the most invaluable gift; and I solemnly adjure you, to preserve it inviolate forever. To whatever part of GOD's creation you may wander, carry this with you. Consult it in prosperity; resort to it in trouble ; shield yourselves with it in danger, and rest your fainting head on it in death. More efficacious than the fable ring of—it con. secrates its keeper; preserves his life, and eternizes his memory. While you prize and preserve this gift, which I now entrust to you, your happiness is secure The world may be convulsed around you, the elements dissolve, and the heavens depart, still your happiness is secure-But hould you ever, in an hour of rashness, be tempted to cast it from you; remember, that with it, you cast away SALVATION. "Tis the last hope of sinful, dying man. This gone -all is lost! Immortality is lost-and lost also is the soul which might otherwise have inherited and enjoyed it.-Under these impressions, go forthinto the world-and may GOD go with you. Committing you to his care, and with a heart full of parental solicitude, for your welfare, I bid you an affectionate and final FAREWELL. ary '99, he ran away from me : about a month after he returned very humble and apparently penitent. He did not continue long however before he ran away again. I advertised him and expected to hear no more of him. In the fummer of 1800, I accidentally met him in the ftreet in Baltimore-ragged, dirty and penny lefs. He told me that after leaving me he had entered a midshipman on board one of the United States' veffels then lying at Bofton, that he had been left [more probably whipped and cafhiered in the Weft Indies; that he afterwards arrived at Charleston, S. C. and from there had then come on to Baltimore, paying his expences by flopping and working at different printing offces on the way. He appeared very humble and grieved at his own mifcondutt; and promifed, it I would forgive him, to ftay with me and conduct faithfully and uprightly till he fhould be 21 years of age. I converfed with him one or two hours, and urged him in the ftrongest manner poffible to a regular life. I procured him fome clothes, and a little money, and fet him to work but the next night the young philofopher was off. In 1802 being in Bofton, I heard from a gentleman that knew him, that Nichols had been quite a literary character, and was about publishing a dictionary; and that he had received a very flattering letter from the fage of Monticello. Of him I heard nothing more till the arrival of the last Boston papers. Of Nichols is about 22 years of age, nearly 5 and a half feet high, of quite a fwarthy complexion, black eyes, rather lunk in the head, and thick, large and very prominent lips. It is thought neceffary thus to describe him to prevent his finding employment in any federal office, where he is not known it is most likely, however, that he will feek employment in fome democratic office, perhaps the Aurora office, to which a congenialty of moral character may recommend him. It appears by the Boston papers that this Nichols has been very active with his pen in the cause of democracy and Mr Jefferfon, a writer of handbills, &c, against governor Strong, Mr. Jefferfon it feems had the honour of a letter from Mr. Nichols. We should have been highly gratified with a fight of this letrer. The letter of Mr. Jefferfon is fo cordial fo complimentary, that we cannot but think there must have been fomething extraordinary in Jonathan's letter: fomething muft have been faid against Christianity or against Washington, or Mr. Jefferson could not have written fuch a reply. We advise Jonathan, the last advice that we fhall probably ever give him, to confefs publicly his faults; to publifh all the letters that have paffed between himand Mr. Jefferfon; to acknowledge, if ever he received money from him; and never to jeopardize his character by fuch correfpondence again. FROM THE REPERTORY. Be it our weekly task, To note the passing tidings of the times. <<&&&NN<#> NX668>> Hudson, June 4. ularity of his works among democrats. This abandoning a companion in his hour of adverfity,if it be not the most dangerous, is certainly one of the basest traits we have difcovered among the democratic body. They use a poor fellow's talents, keep him at the pen forever, to promote the good caufe, and the moment officious law blunders upon any of them, for fome diftinguished poft, they with us, to forget their recent cordiality. A few days fince, Nichols ftood in the pillory-Honé was then enraged becaufe Nichols was mentioned. as his fellow-laborer; but be it known, that at that very time, Honé was a writer in the chronicle, and two of Nichols' democratic pamphlets were in circulation, in Boston, for the promotion of correct principles and the good of the people. Thefe are facts-and thus we fee, whether democracy be right or wrong, its votaries good or bad, it is a channel into which the corrupt and vicious float, as if drawn by nature; and this is the moral of our parą. graph. FROM THE SAME. Among many curious things in the good democrat, Nichols' Patriotic Trage 66 we JEFFERSON AND LIBERTY," remark the following head to 6th Scene, A& II. THERE are fome of the leading democrats who feel or affect to feel refentful, when they are coupled with Nichols and fuch convicted fcoundrels. We would afk them feriously, where is the impropriety or injuftice of alluding to their relationship? Has not Nichols, for many years been a very diftinguifhed and fuccefstul laborer in the caufe of Democra-dy, cy? Bidwell himself has not written more Pamphlets against the Federal adminiftration and in favor of the prefent, than this knight of the pillory. Nichols has taken the fame ground; advanced the fame principles and fupported them with the very arguments fed by Mr. Bidwell, Honeftus and Pafquin. In the fame fhops where find the labors of these great and good men, you find thofe of their rival in modern patriotifm, Nichols. Indeed Nich Is has a derived confiderable fupport, not enough however, to keep him from stealing and forging, from the pop you "Scene 6.-Jefferfon, affaffins, patri ots, &c." A very pretty affemblage! It must be There is an old proverb, which signifies that simi- In Clinton county William Bailey, a federalist, is elected a member of the Assembly. We observe in a London paper, a paragraph, stating that "The trial of the American Judges is at length concluded; the majority of the Senate voted them guilty, the members being 13 to 11; but, as by the Law of America, a majority of twothirds is necessary for the conviction of the person accused, the Defendants were acquitted."The reader will perceive that the Pennsylvania Judg. es are here alluded to. It appears that the Algerines are making considerable depredations on the Portuguese small craft→ taking out the men and burning the vessels. The men are doomed to slavery. At Lisbon, latest dates, flour was at 12 dolls. 50 cents-dull, with the probability of falling. Two powder-mills and two dry-houses, on Perkiomen, one mile above Sumneytown, (Penn.) were lately blown up by accident, Four men were kil One of those killed, led, and 9 or 10 wounded. KIDNAPPING... A man who calls himself Col. Green was lately committed to jail in Norfolk, having two negroes in his possession, suspected to have been kidnapped from New-York. Two members of our infant navy, Gun Boats Nos. 2 and 9, have been spoken in lat. 34, long. 14, 30, bound from Charleston to the Mediterranean. Messrs. Smith and Alexander, have returned from Pittsburgh, Penn. to Cooperstown, in this state with Stephen Arnold, who is lodged in jail in the latter place, and will probably take his trial at the circuit court now sitting, at which his honor Judge Tomkins presides. The sloop George, Read, lately arrrived at Norfolk from Honduras and Havanna, was brought to and boarded on the 19th April, by the French priva teer Eugene, commanded by Joseph Sires, and owned as is said in Havanna and New-Orleans. Captain Read was ordered to take his papers on board the privateer from which five or six muskets were afterwards discharged at the sloop, which was cr dered to come to anchor under Cape Antonio. While at anchor, the commander presented his sword to the bret of Capt. Read, and threatened him with instant death unless he signed a paper declaring the George to be a British vessel, and give his draft up. on Mr. Granby, her owner in Norfolk, for 4000 dól. lars, the sum which hey chose to demand as the ransom of the vessel and cargo, which Capt. R. was obliged to comply with. After this was done, the boats of the privateer were sent on board with orders to plunder. They took away a negro boy named Dick, belonging to Mr. Granberry, and about 150 lbs. of spunyarn, a coil of rope, haulyards, fishng tackle, a quantity of pork, beef, bread, sugar, &c. books, medicines, and wearing apparel; in short every thing they could with convenience take from the sloop -They put on board her Capt James Newell, and seven seamen of the ship Benjamin of N. York, lately captured. Being destitute of provisions and water, Capt. R. put into Havanna for supplies, where he arrived the 22d April, and made protest before the American Consul. The privateer had captured a schooner belonging to Norfolk, laden with coffee, from Port-au-Prince. With sincere regret, we learn, that the Hon. ROGER GRISWOLD, and the Hon. CALVIN GODDARD, two of the Representatives in Congress, from this state have resigned. The real friends to the Constitution of the United States, and the principles upon which it was administered for the first twelve years, we have no doubt will lament with us, the event which we have just mentioned. The people of the State, with pride, have witnessed their exertions in endeavouring to preserve the Constitution and Government from destruction. Mr Griswold, has been in Congress ten years, and during the whole of that period, if we are correctly informed, he has been absent from his seat but one day when the House of Representatives was in session. To his distinguished talents, his perfect acquaintance with legislative duty, his extensive political science, and his commanding eloquence, even his political enemies bear unequivocal testimony; und we doubt not that the intelligence of of his resignation, will be the most pleasing news that has reached their ears for many a year. We think it no more than justice to say, that he has been for a long course of time, without a rlval in the National Legislature. [Con. Courant.] protracted from year to year at a vast loss of Extract of a letter from Bordeaux, to a respectable By the ship Hardware, arrived at New-York, in 39 days from Liverpool, London papers were received to the 12th April. They are almost entirely occupied (says the Mercantile Advertiser) with the proceedings of the House of Commons, on the delinquency of Lord Melville, who has been charged with converting the public money to his own emolument." The following particulars are given under the date of LONDON, April 11. Last night in the House of Commons Mr. Whitbread followed up the resolutions of Monday, with moving an address to his Majesty to remove Lord Melville from all places of trust and emolument, which he held during the pleasure of the crown. After some debate, the motion was withdrawn, and the house voted that the resolutions of Monday should be laid before his majesty, and that the same should be caried up by the whole house; and it was also agreed that there should be no adjournment until this communication had been made. Mr. Whitbread then gave notice, that after the holidays he would move, that instructions be given to the attorney-general to prosecute Lord Melville and Mr. Trotter, to make them account for their improper intromissions, with the public money. Tuesday Mr. Pitt waited on his majesty at Wind Ogden's fleet-On Saturday evening laft arrived in this port, in 18 days from Portau Prince, the following fleet under the command of Capt. Jacob Lewis :-the fhip Indoftan, Lewis, of 22 guns; fhip Leander, Ricard, of 16 guns: brig Dolly, Cowper, 13 guns; fhip Oliver Ellsworth, Ely, and fhip Sophronia, Brumley. This little fquadron, thus armed in self defen ce, has been able to make itself so much refpeated in the Weft Indies, that no privateer nor pirate, French or Spanish, have dared to moleft them, although they would have been rich prizes had they been captu red, having on board coffee, cotton and logwood to the amount of nearly two million of dollars. This valuable fhipment comes to S. G. Ogden, of this city, a gentleman, whofe fpirit and enteprize will be as much admired as it is rewarded.. What might not have been done, had we an adminiftration with wisdom & energy,to fecond & fupport the enterprize of our citizens? This individual gentleman, we fee, has fitted out a fleet nearly equal to that which was fent by the Prefident of the United States the first year into the Mediteranean, not indeed to meet our enemies in open and honourable warfare, but to watch the harbour of Tripoli with the leaft competent force. The confequence of it has been, that a rupture which might have been brought to a clofe in one feason, and at a trifling comparative expence, has been tending. The Speaker left the House of Commons sor, to communicate the important result of the question in the house of Commons, and in consequence thereof to tender Lord Viscount Melville's resignation. It was graciously received, and it is imagined that Mr. Pitt, in his present extremity, tion. Nothing, however, was settled last night. will recommend even Lord Castlereagh to the situaMr. York is mentioned as likely to come into office. Mr. Canning yesterday morning intimated to Mr. Trotter that he could no longer permit him to hold the place of Paymaster of the Navy. At the same time Mr. Trotter had tendered his resignation. APRIL 12. The resolutions passed by the House of Commons were presented to his Majesty yesterday by the Speaker, and about thirty members; none of those who, to give greater solemnity to the proceeding, had been so anxious and eager for their being presented by the whole house, neither Mr Fox, nor Mr. Windham, nor Mr. Whitbread, nor Mr. Gray, at in state a little before 4 o'clock. Upon being intro duced to the King, who was seated on the throne: he informed his majesty that by the command of the house of Commons, he was to present to his majesty, the resolutions of that house. He then read them aloud and presented them to his majesty, whỏ returned a most gracious answer; in which he thanked the Commons for their care and attention to the public interest, and expressed himself to be fully sensible of the importance of the resolutions which they had presented to him. The Speaker and members then withdrew. The house of commons had previously adjourned for a fortnight. If the funds rose on Tuesday in consequence of the debate on the preceding day, which in the opinof the speculators justified a belief that the opposi tion would immediately come into power, and make overtures of peace to Bonaparte, it was natural to suppose that they would experience a depression yesterday, in consequence of the debate of Wednesday, which rendered it impossible any longer to entertain such a belief. They did experience a depression, which some attempted to attribute to the bad news received from the West Indies. No intelligence whatever was received from that quarter, nor from any other part of the world. [Under date of April 10, we observe the following article relating to the co-operation of the Northern Powers with England:] A paper printed at Lemberg asserts, that a large Russian Army is assembling in Volhynia, and that Russia and Sweden have agreed for a subidy of five millions, to place 80,000 men at the disposal of this country. A great Russian army is to be sent to the Mediterranean. Rumour has swelled the amount to 150,000 men. We believe we may say, with confidence, that all the accounts of unfavorable advices having been received from Petersburg, are unfounded; they are far otherwise. It is said now, too that the politics of the Cabinet of Vienna have undergone a change favourable to this country-it would be surprising, after the events that have recently ocourred, if they had not. Wreath. FOR THE BALANCE. FROM [IN CONTINUATION.] "sounding brass and tinkling cymbal," Where clapper keeps a constant jingle, I say, from head of Holt I stray, And strange to tell, within a minute But 'tis, all hail! e'en now I meet him, I see you guess I'm after lies; These, these are men of worth unmix'd, These are the lads, and sure we need 'em, For who, like them, spent blood and cash And when he gains it, firm as steel Nor has your mouth of wondrous labor, [*] Though I do not intend to set myself up as a critic to find fault with a favorite correspondent, whose wit and genius I admire, still I must in candor say, that the rhyming words in this couplet are hardly excusable. One or two other faults of the same kind might be mentioned, but they are too trivial to demand particular notice. [t] This story has been often told; whether true or not, I cannot say. I hope that my correspondent has advanced nothing on unsubstantial ground. Original. HUDSON, (New-York) TUESDAY, JUNE 11, 1804. Hither the products of your closet-labors bring, Enrich our columns, and instruct mankind. FOR THE BALANCE. The Limner. MR. EDITOR, IN N all controverfies, each disputant is fond of having the last word; and this [pecies of selfishness has caufed its full share of mifchief in the world; for you must know, or if you do not, almoft any wife man of the age can tell you, that it is impoffible for both parties to be gratified in this unreasonable defire. If, as fome people imagine, the one who gets the laft word, always gains the victory, it must be conceded at once, that he who can write moft without ideas, and talk longest without sense, stands the best chance in the field of controversy. And left you should fup pose, Mr. Editor, that I have a very high conceit of my own talent at endless disputation, I affure you that I have no idea of out-talking a lady who leems to enjoy fuch a free exercise of the noify member, as Mifs Tomboy. But Mifs Tomboy's letter partakes fo much of the common cant of the day, that I cannot refrain from a brief reply. The indifference which the affects to feel on account of what the calls" the daubing of my pencil," and "the flander of my pen," is characteristic of the times. It is precifely like certain great men's hypocritical pretenfion, that they regard not the ** lacerations of the prefs." With these peo. ple, plain truth is the worst of flander; and the person who promulgates it, is, of course, a moft" vulgar, brutal, low-bred fellow." Mifs Tomboy, (ftill holding her refemblance of our great men) thinks it extremely hard that a perfon of her "rank and character" should not be exempt from the "flanders" of my pen. On this fubject, I beg leave to be more than ordinarily ferious; for the examples of people of rank, have done more towards corrupting the morals and manners of the community, than any thing else whatever. The vices and follies of the great are more contagious than a peftilence. They spread over the country like wild-fire, contaminating every thing they touch, and rendering ineffectual every lecture from the pulpit, or leffon from the prefs. It is indeed too true, that we have high It is indeed too true, that we have high example and authority for infidelity, hy pocrify, ingratitude, treachery, deceit, and a thoufard inferior vices; but in the eye of the moralift or the chriftian, rank and dignity rather aggravate than diminish the enormity of fin. Swearing, (though common) is bad enough in men-it is infinitely worse in nough in men-it is infinitely worfe in women, and in those of exalted rank, it is difgraceful-it is abominable. It reduces It reduces the most accomplished and beautiful young lady to a level with the loweft of her fex; and encourages the difhonorable advances of the profane and the vulgar. Finally, it is a violation of one of the facred in junctions of our religion-" Thou shalt not take the name of thy God in vain"and this alone ought to be fufficient entirely to eradicate the ridiculous habit. PETER PALLET. The Struggle: A CONSTITUTION OR NO CONSTITUTION? FROM THE UNITED STATes' gazette. PENNSYLNANIA FACTIONS. IT has more than once been mention. ed, that we deem it a part of our duty, as public journalists, to preserve a record of the fteps by which we are advancing to a ftate of anarchy. In compliance with this part of our duty, we now lay before our || readers a kind of demi-official denunciation of governor M'Kean by the revolu tionary majority of our legislature. By a perufal of this extraordinary document, it will appear that what has formerly been faid by us of the depravity of the democratic faction, is now unblushingly acknowledged. This legislative caucus declare, that when they trumpeted the virtues and patriotifm of M'Kean, and made him wilful falfhood, knowing that he did not governor of the ftate, they were guilty of poffefs the virtues and patriotifm which they afcribed to him; and that they fupported his pretenfions merely because they hoped he would prove fubfervient to their factious projects. Their disappointment in this particular is the avowed caufe of their prefent proceedings. Without taking part with either one or the other of thofe factions, whofe furious contentions begin to threaten the political exiftence of the commonwealth, it is our intention to make fuch comments upon the paffing events as fhall illuftrate the found nefs of the political principles which we have all along endeavored to maintain, and fuch as fhall be calculated to warn other ftates, not yet fo deeply involved in the |